Supported by Los Lobos
updated 18 Jan 02 - upgrade version 3.0 added
updated 7 July 2008 - added MASTER recording added & punters view (Saw what was left of)
updated 12 April 2011 - added punters comments
"With the rest of the band dressed in black, Strummer looked especially resplendent in his bright red sport coat and white trousers. tie certainly did his part, rolling around on the stage, thrashing upside down on his back, his kicking legs the only part of his body visible above the surging mass in front of the stage."
Audio 1 - extended upgraded vers. -
Sound 3.5 - 82min - low - 23 tracks
Three Card Trick
Audio 2 - extended upgraded vers. -
Sound 3.5 - 82min - boot cassette/m - 23 tracks
Three Card Trick
Audio 3 - MASTER -
Sound 3.5 - 82min - master - 23 tracks -
Very good upgrade to MASTER - very clear
Three Card Trick
This is not only an upgrade in the sound quality but it is longer, though there are no new tracks. The old one was 72mins, and this is 83 mins. Similarly it has 23 tracks.
The first known gig circulating post Mick Jones' sacking. A reasonable recording, its clarity is spoilt by some mild distortion at the bottom end.
Some circulating tapes have only 22 tracks. Clampdown being the extra track. Interestingly Nick Sheppard sings Should I Stay or Should I go which would soon be dropped from the set.
Did you go? What do you remember?
We are looking for scans - articles - tickets - posters - flyers - handbills - memorabilia - photos - comments / any info - you might have. Anything welcome.
Please email blackmarketclash or post below on bmc facebook post.
Please leave any comments on the facebook page above
New Clash lacks some of the old fire
San Francisco Examiner , January 23, 1984
Written by Philip Elwood
About four years ago the Clash, a British punk rock quartet invaded our shores via recordings and a concert tour. Already famous in the punk-underground for their dedicated political and social rebelliousness and the urgency of their powerfully rhythmic music, they enjoyed a most successful 1980-1982 period.
Local appearances in their early U.S. days at the Berkeley Community Theater and at the Kezar Pavilion were sensational examples of what many thought to he the most exciting and provocative turn rock music had taken since its heavy electrification in the mid-1960s.
By last year the Clash had suffered from internal differences over both musical and philosophical direction, and leader-vocalist-guitarist Joe Strummer let it he known that a new Clash ensemble, this time a quintet, would pick up where the original group had left off.
On Saturday at the overcrowded Civic Auditorium (I seldom get fearful and claustrophobic in jammed arenas, but I was on this occasion) we had a chance to hear the "new-old" clash. There were three guitarists, bassist Paul Simonon (with Strummer the only original Clasher) and drummer Pete Howard plus 10 dangling, smallish video screens and a massive sound system. Nick Sheppard and Vince White were the new guitarists.
Joe Strummer has a stronger lead role in the Clash
It was a good concert although hardly of the gutty, bombastic style of old. Strummer assumed even more of leadership role than was his earlier wont and had trouble at times keeping up the frantic pace always associated with the clash. In his rhythmic guitar-playing lead, In his shouted, strident vocals and in his non-stop commentary, Strummer often becomes incoherent.
They began with "London Calling" and ended about 75 minutes later with "Jamie Jones," the third encore. In between, "Police and Thieves," "Rockin' the Casbah," [sic] "Police on My Back," "Brand New Cadillac," "Guns of Brixton", (Simonon vocal) and others came across quite well. The video screens (all the same images) projected a variety of still and motion pictures of, usually, some significance to the players and listeners - war movies, police activities, defiant placards, etc. Strummer's concern for the British black population and for their reggae and hi-life music is particularly evident in the Clash's music and in his socio-political commentary.
The sound system, though excellent for those jammed on the main floor, was muddy for the thousands upstairs.
Record producer, anthologist, comic and interlocutor Malcolm McLarenren conducted a lively dance set on stage (with many splendid local acts) before the Clash's appearance.
The evening began with a short performance by the Los Lobos band.
'New' Clash Plays Some Old Favorites
For S.F. Faithful
San Francisco Chronicle , January 23, 1984
Written by Joel Selvin
Far away from those rocky shores, that scepter'd isle the Clash calls home, in the relative obscurity of San Francisco, the prelates of punk faced the most potentially ticklish performance in the band's career with relative ease.
If the group bombed, who would know back home?
Outside of the cynical scrutiny of the British press and fad-conscious, trendy English music scene - where the Clash may already be somewhat old hat - the group could comfortably get away with the introduction of what amounts to a whole new band, in front of a nearly sold-out San Francisco Civic Auditorium Saturday, full of California teens primed for the concert by harmless radio hits like "Rock the Casbah" and "Should I Stay Should I Go," rather than the leftist revolutionary rhetoric of "Guns of Brixton" or "White Riot."
These recently acquired fans would seem the least likely to be overly sensitive about the absence of guitarist Mick Jones, whose tough swagger and thinly veiled insolence lent so much character to the band. In his place, bandleader Joe Strummer introduced two semi-professional young British guitarists, Nick Sheppard and Vince White. Neither proved exceptional at the Civic. Far from it, in fact. Even keeping their guitars in tune proved a problem for these green additions to the world's most famous punk rock band. Nor did they show any particular skill in their brief, awkward attempts at vocals.
But the question of technical excellence matters more with other bands than with the Clash, who are the rock world's equivalent of political propagandists who spray-paint leftist slogans on walls in Berkeley.
With the rest of the band dressed in black, Strummer looked especially resplendent in his bright red sport coat and white trousers. tie certainly did his part, rolling around on the stage, thrashing upside down on his back, his kicking legs the only part of his body visible above the surging mass in front of the stage.
The program mixed familiar Clash pieces with new songs headed for the band's next album (to be recorded following the current tour). All the inevitable cornerstones of Clash concerts were present and accounted for - "London Calling," "Police and Thieves," "I Fought the Law," "White Riot" and "Rock the Casbah" in a mysteriously perfunctory rendition - but a great deal of the show was anchored on material the audience never heard before, such as "We Are the Clash," "Sex Mad War" and others which, in the great Clash tradition, were barely decipherable in live performance.
With the two new guitarists fumbling to keep up, the band never struck any rhythmic gold until late in the concert, ironically, during a bass and drums break in "Police and Thieves" when Strummer had sent one of the guitarists offstage, presumably to tune his instrument. Between drummer Pete Howard and bassist Paul Simonon, the two musicians worked up a chugging, bumping interchange that rumbled agreeably through the hall.
In introducing the number, Strummer delivered one of his trademark tirades on culture and the folk process in popular music. "This is punk meets reggae," he explained, "not white reggae. We add some of our own culture to it, so this is no ripoff. I'm talking to you Sting," he shouted, referring to the vocalist-songwriter for the Police, whose work has sometimes been accused of misappropriating Jamaican rhythmic ideas.
What's a Clash Concert without a few polemics? It helps lend a little of the delicious flavor of an anti-war rally to the proceedings and underlines the band's commitment to political struggle and rock-scene infighting. "We do have a culture," Strummer informed the crowd, "and I'm quite sure it's not Van Halen."
Actually, the band's first commitment is to rock and roll and all that it encompasses -- passion, guts, loud guitars, angry songs, anti-social attitudes and, perhaps most of all, spectacle. Helping to provide, a bit of spectacle at the Civic was Malcolm McLaren, the redoubtable manager of the defunct Sex Pistols who can always be counted on in such matters.
McLaren, hands thrust deep into the pockets of a trenchcoat, briefly preceded the Clash by supplying calls to a tape of his punk rock meets-square dance disco hit, "Buffalo Gals," while a handful of local break dancers flipped, twirled and threw their bodies around onstage, like fish out of water.
Opening the show was Los Lobos, a dream garage band of four Mexican-Americans from East Los Angeles who play like 1965 in San Bernardino. Between this lesson in Chicano rock history, McLaren's demonstrations of contemporary street life and Strummer's own lectures on art, politics and culture, the audience could at least go home feeling educated, if not entertained.
I attended the Jan. 21, 1984 concert in San Francisco.
It was memorable for several reasons, but the highlight for me was the stellar performance by opening act Los Lobos. I didnít know until today, over 25 years later, that it was the first Clash show after Mick Jones was sacked.
I have a few good pics Id like to send your way if you could use them. Best, Duffy Johnson, Albuquerque, NM
<titusalone77[a]yahoo.com>
Saw what was left of The Clash in '84 at the San Francisco Civic... I remember it being a pretty good show but I was only 14 at the time and high on NoDoz so who knows! ;-) I also remember everyone being extremely aggitated and vocal to have to wait through the opening act (Los Lobos). Here's an old review of the show...
Did you go? What do you remember?
Info, articles, reviews, comments or photos welcome.
Please
email blackmarketclash
Setlist: ... I was there too
1 |
London Calling |
![]() |
There are several sights that provide setlists but most mirror www.blackmarketclash.co.uk. They are worth checking.
from Setlist FM (cannot be relied on)
from Songkick (cannot be relied on)
... both have lists of people who say they went
& from the newer Concert Database
Also useful: Ultimate Music datbase, All Music, Clash books at DISCOGS
A full archive of any articles, interviews, reviews, posters, tour dates from the first part of the Out of Control 84 tour of the USA can be found here
Fort Worth Star & Telegram Wed Jan 25 1984
A new Clash album is expected next month.
CLASH REGROUPS The new lineup of the Clash is set. Drummer Pete Howard and guitarists Nick Sheppard and Vince White are the new members, joining holdovers Joe Strummer and Paul Simonon.
In many ways, we're a brand new band," Strummer said. "We want to get used to working together and see how the songs work live. I'd like to go back and capture that lean, tough sound we had on the first album. I think we got a little to arty in places after that."
A new Clash album is expected next month. In the meantime. former Clash mem-bers Mick Jones and Topper Headon are rumored to be forming a new band together.
If you know of any articles or references for this particular gig, anything that is missing, please do let us know.
Embarrassingly Bad, Clash Should Give Up
The Sacramento Bee Mon Jan 23 1984
By David Barton special to The Bee
SAN FRANCISCO ---
"1 stand humiliated," joked Joe Strummer, ti Clash's lead singer, before the group's encore. He was referring to hi poor return of a toilet paper roll tossed on stage, but he may as well have been reflecting on the British group's 60-minute performance Saturday night at the nearly full Civic Center. That performance was an embarrassment, a misdirected exercisi marred by buzzing equipment, botched chords, out-of-tune guitars, toneless vocals, an unresponsive road crew and muddy, distorted sound, not to mention the pretention and lack of humor that have always marked the group's work. Some of the problems were with the group's two new guitarists, Mick Sheppard and Vince White, who bounded around the stage in ...
New Clash lacks some of the old fire
The San Francisco Examiner Mon Jan 23 1984
By Philip Elwood - Examiner
ABOUT FOUR years ago the Clash, a British punk rock quartet, invaded our shores via recordings and a concert tour. Already famous in the punkïunderground for their dedicated political and social rebelliousness and the urgency of their powerfully rhythmic music, they enjoyed a mat successful 19041962 period. Local appearances in their early US. days at the Berkeley Community Theater and at the Kezar Pavilion were sensational examples of what many thought to be the most exciting and provocative turn rock-music had taken since its !wavy electrification in the midïWOOL By last year the Clash had suffered from internal differences over both musical and philosophical direction, and leader-vocalist-guitarist Joe Strummer let it be known that a new Clash ensemble, this time a quintet, would pick up where the original group had left off.
Fanzine - Beano San Fran Fanzine - Feb
Joe Interview Excellent - 6 pages
New Clash lacks some of the old fire
San Francisco Examiner
January 23, 1984 - Written by Philip Elwood
About four years ago the Clash, a British punk rock quartet invaded our shores via recordings and a concert tour. Already famous in the punk-underground for their dedicated political and social rebelliousness and the urgency of their powerfully rhythmic music, they enjoyed a most successful 1980-1982 period.
'New' Clash Plays Some Old Favorites
For S.F. Faithful
San Francisco Chronicle
January 23, 1984 - Written by Joel Selvin
Far away from those rocky shores, that scepter'd isle the Clash calls home, in the relative obscurity of San Francisco, the prelates of punk faced the most potentially ticklish performance in the band's career with relative ease.
Village Voice 31 Jan 84
review by Greil Marcus
Stanford Daily - gig review
The Clash revitalise image
Vince White describes this gig extensively in his Clash biog, The Last Days of the Clash, page 75
We Are The Clash: Reagan, Thatcher, and the Last Stand of a Band That Mattered
By Mark Andersen, Ralph Heibutzki
reference Stockton, Long Beach and San Diego
Clash City Showdown - Paperback
1 Dec. 2003 - by Chris Knowles pg 243
Backstage interview with Joe and Paul, Santa Barbara, the opening night. The full interview is 11:44mins
Part 2 is here
Joe Strummer Interview Ltd Edition picture disk
Entertainment Tonight
The Clash - January 1984 Interview
Joe interviewed by Mary Hart, includes live Clash performance for around a minute (brief Clampdown, I Fought the Law from the January US tour). The video is of the band on a bus and playing somewhere which could be from any of the early gigs on this mini-tour. Also interestingly includes Bonds press conference snippet.
Joe Strummer Interview Radio Stockholm,
1 January1984
Joe Strummer interviewed by Lisa Robinson for WNYC?
This 2-part interview presents polar extremes of Joe Strummer. The first part most likely takes place in late 1983, after Mick Jones left the band but before the new Clash line-up started touring together. The majority of this segment involves Strummer heatedly discussing all the reasons Jones was fired. He then goes on to talk animatedly about the new incarnation of the band and how everyone in America is on drugs.
In the second part of the interview, recorded in the beginning of 1984, Strummer sounds melancholy and exhausted. However, with the departure of Mick Jones from The Clash being old news by this point, Lisa Robinson is able to steer the questioning towards what Strummer makes of performing, success, and his music.
Part 1
00:00 Why Mick was fired: emotional blackmail
01:15 Bitterness
01:56 Success vs. personal problems
02:48 Mick's vision for the band / guitar synth
03:59 Who/what constitutes The Clash
06:10 Making a not-so-great Clash album: Combat Rock
07:05 Glyn Johns saves Combat Rock (as per Joe Strummer)
07:55 Glyn Johns ruins Combat Rock (as per Mick Jones)
08:35 Forcing Mick Jones to sing "Should I Stay or Should I Go?"
10:22 An honorable way for a band to go out
11:00 The two new guitarists (Vince White, Nick Sheppard)
11:39 Hoping to be possessed
12:40 A divorced writing partnership with Mick / "Death is a Star"
14:02 Writing with Paul Simonon / road-testing new songs
14:55 Pete Howard on drums
15:07 Recording a new album
15:49 The US Festival
16:46 Everybody in America is on drugs
18:29 [phone]: Mick Jones' response
Part 2
00:00 Other aspirations / graphic artist
00:51 Growing up with a diplomat father
01:57 A feeling of homelessness
02:29 Slagged for being middle-class
02:59 The reaction in Britain to the disbanding of The Clash
03:45 Taking some criticisms to heart
04:25 Not enjoying playing in stadiums
05:45 Crowd behavior / whose fault
07:13 The ideal performing situation
07:49 Pros and cons for The Clash getting bigger
08:30 Avoiding the problems of The Who
09:09 The commercial success of Combat Rock
10:48 [A false start]
11:07 Joe's opinion of The Clash's music
12:11 Musical influences
12:45 The blues boom of the 60's in Britain
15:05 Re-selling R&B to the U.S.
Search all of facebook
Search all of Twitter
Search for a local library
Search auction site
Search flickr
Search Instagram
Search the internet
Any further info, articles, reviews, comments or photos welcome.
Submit an article here
We are looking for scans - articles - tickets - posters - flyers - handbills - memorabilia - photos - comments / any information - you might have.
Please like and post on our Facebook page or alternatively email blackmarketclash
You can also follow us on Twitter
We also have a Clash Twitter list of other notable Clash Twitter accounts here
Blackmarketclash Links
Extensive links page can be found here with links to web, twitter, Facebook, traders etc..
If Music Could Talk
The best Clash messageboard and which also has links to downloads on its megalists
www.Blackmarketclash.co.uk
Go here for uploads and downloads. It's not a massive space so its on an as and when basis.
Contact your local library here and see if they can help.
If you are searching for articles in the USA - DPLA Find the local US library link here
WorldCat? - find your local library Link
British Newspaper Archive - United Kingdom Link (£££ / trial period)
Newspaper ARCHIVE - USA+ Link ($$$ / trial period)
Historical Newspapers - USA & beyond $$$ Link ($$$ / trial period)
Elephind.com - international Link (free)
New York Times - USA Link ($$$)
Gallica - France - Not very helpful Link (free)
Explore the British Library Link (free to UK users - ask if you find something)
Trove - Australia National Library Link (free)
The Official Clash
Search @theclash & enter search in search box. Place, venue, etc
Clash City Collectors - excellent
Facebook Page - for Clash Collectors to share unusual & interesting items like..Vinyl. Badges, Posters, etc anything by the Clash. Search Clash City Collectors & enter search in search box. Place, venue, etc
Clash on Parole - excellent
Facebook page - The only page that matters
Search Clash on Parole & enter search in the search box. Place, venue, etc
Clash City Snappers
Anything to do with The Clash. Photos inspired by lyrics, song titles, music, artwork, members, attitude, rhetoric,haunts,locations etc, of the greatest and coolest rock 'n' roll band ever.Tributes to Joe especially wanted. Pictures of graffitti, murals, music collections, memorabilia all welcome. No limit to postings. Don't wait to be invited, just join and upload.
Search Flickr / Clash City Snappers
Search Flickr / 'The Clash'
Search Flickr / 'The Clash' ticket
I saw The Clash at Bonds - excellent
Facebook page - The Clash played a series of 17 concerts at Bond's Casino in New York City in May and June of 1981 in support of their album Sandinista!. Due to their wide publicity, the concerts became an important moment in the history of the Clash. Search I Saw The Clash at Bonds & enter search in red box. Place, venue, etc
Loving the Clash
Facebook page - The only Clash page that is totally dedicated to the last gang in town. Search Loving The Clash & enter search in the search box. Place, venue, etc
Blackmarketclash.co.uk
Facebook page - Our very own Facebook page. Search Blackmarketclash.co.uk & enter search in red box. Place, venue, etc
Search all of Twitter
Search Enter as below - Twitter All of these words eg Bonds and in this exact phrase, enter 'The Clash'
www.theclash.com/
Images on the offical Clash site. http://www.theclash.com/gallery
www.theclash.com/ (all images via google).
Images on the offical Clash site. site:http://www.theclash.com/